
The WORST Debt In Financial Audit History
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Kate, 33, and Mike, 34, from Northwest Indiana, are a recently married couple facing significant financial challenges despite their high combined income. Kate works as an admin, earning $54,000 annually, while Mike is a civil engineer, designing roads and highways, earning $145,000 per year. Their bi-weekly paychecks are about $1,470 for Kate and $3,800 for Mike, leading to a substantial household income for their low cost of living area.
The core issue is Mike's uncontrolled spending, primarily on credit cards, which has led to a staggering amount of debt. Six months into their marriage, they are appearing on a financial audit show because, despite Kate issuing an ultimatum to Mike about his credit card spending before their marriage, his behavior has not significantly changed.
Their total household debt, including mortgages, is approximately $500,000. However, a significant portion of this is "bad debt" – high-interest credit card debt and other consumer loans – totaling around $173,916.76 excluding student loans and medical debt. The mortgage itself accounts for about $132,733.83.
Mike's spending habits are characterized by impulsiveness and a lack of financial discipline. He admits to previously paying all bills on credit cards and then applying incoming money to pay them off, a system that clearly failed as he consistently spent more than he earned. He has a history of paying off debt only to accumulate more, often for home-related items or cars, without a permanent change in behavior. This pattern has been evident since he was 18.
Examples of their recent spending include a honeymoon in Hawaii, a trip to Austin for the show where they rented a Corvette and had expensive dinners, and numerous online purchases for items like retro video game consoles, car parts, and energy drinks. Many of these purchases were made on credit cards, despite Mike's claim that he had stopped using them for general spending. Kate also admits to having a high-spending lifestyle, enjoying going out to eat and taking trips, though she claims she funded these from her bank account, not credit cards.
The host highlights several specific credit card balances:
- One card has a balance of $37,875.42 with a 22.49% interest rate, accruing $665.42 in interest monthly. This card has been maxed out for over 10 years, with credit limits increasing as significant chunks were paid off, only for the balance to grow again.
- Another card, an Amazon Chase card, holds $30,144.10, with interest accruing at almost $700 a month if only minimum payments are made. Much of this debt was accumulated for their wedding, which Mike had joked they would "put on credit cards and figure it out later."
- A Discover card, initially a 0% balance transfer card, now accrues interest on a $7,191 balance, making it another high-interest burden.
Beyond credit cards, they have other debts:
- Student loans: Kate has federal loans totaling $54,700.61 (currently in deferment) and private loans of $18,711.00 at 4-5% interest.
- Medical debt: Kate has $5,183.48 in medical debt from a hospitalization, which she pays from her HSA.
- Car loans: Mike recently bought a new car for $41,000 at 0% interest for 72 months, adding a $570 monthly payment. He also has a leased car with a $790.91 monthly payment until October, and a 401k loan to pay off negative equity on a previous car. He has had three new cars since they've been together.
- RV loan: They have a 10% interest RV loan with a $394.96 monthly payment, which they bought for their dogs to travel.
- Green Sky loan: A Home Depot project loan for $6,302.71 at 13% interest, used for expanding their deck, building a patio, and repainting their house.
- 401k loans: Mike has two loans against his 401k, one for a down payment on his house and another to pay off negative equity on a previous car, totaling around $16,000-$18,000.
Kate expresses resentment, knowing that a significant portion of the money she contributes to household bills goes directly to interest payments, making no dent in the principal. She admits she doesn't always know where the money goes due to their separate accounts, a situation she is uncomfortable with but has not effectively addressed. Mike, conversely, doesn't believe they are in a "do or die" financial situation, despite the evidence presented.
The host repeatedly criticizes their lack of action despite their stated intentions. They claim to have stopped spending on credit cards, but evidence shows ongoing charges. They acknowledge the need for change but consistently defer action, citing reasons like post-honeymoon or after a raise. The host points out that this constant deferral prevents any real progress.
A major point of contention is their unwillingness to make sacrifices. The host suggests selling the RV and other unnecessary assets to significantly reduce their debt and free up cash flow. Selling the RV alone, which has depreciated significantly and has a 10% interest loan, could free up $500 a month and reduce their bad debt by approximately $30,000, shortening their debt payoff timeline from 6.5 years to 4.5 years. However, Mike is reluctant to sell it, citing emotional attachment and the dogs' comfort, while Kate also struggles with the idea of changing her lifestyle.
Kate also has health issues, including autoimmune diseases and PCOS, leading to concerns about her life expectancy and fertility. They are considering IVF, which could cost $30,000 or more, adding another potential financial strain. Kate wants to get the credit card debt under control before starting IVF, but Mike also acknowledges their age and desire to have kids sooner.
The couple's financial score is assessed as very low: 0/10 for spending (overspent), 1/10 for debt (as bad as it gets without collections), 2/10 for emergency fund (minimal savings), 1/10 for retirement (behind and borrowing against it), and 5/10 for real estate (owning a home but with a second high-interest mortgage). The overall score is 2/10.
The host concludes by emphasizing that their failure to make temporary sacrifices, despite their high income and awareness of the problem, is preventing them from achieving financial stability. He stresses that their current behavior is objectively harmful and that Kate, by enabling Mike's habits and not enforcing her ultimatum, is contributing to the problem.
The episode ends with Mike agreeing to shave his head for the "plot" of the show, a symbolic act that the host hopes might signify a willingness to change, although the underlying financial issues remain unresolved due to their resistance to concrete actions like selling assets.